不過，資深大律師、民主黨創黨主席李柱銘昨於電台訪問中，卻認同美國司法部，並斥港府今次做法沒有公信力，不能接受；李指「呢個名同呢個人，阿茂阿壽都知啦，全世界都認到佢啦！」他認為，今次是由中央政府作出決定，但要特區政府背黑鍋。特首梁振英就重申，政府是根據香港法律及程序處理斯諾登事件，並無故意拖延。另外，本報就事件詢問津政司有關引渡協議的資料要求，惟截稿前未獲回覆。 (Yahoo News)
內容無異於我引用NY Times的報導。美國在東南亞招攬了菲律賓這跳樑小丑，在香港則養了這條哈巴狗，不停的搖頭擺尾打哈哈，急不及待獻媚奉承。奧巴馬現在口風都改了，覺得不值得為斯諾登破壞與中國及俄羅斯的關係。路透社昨晚的報導這樣引述奧巴馬的講法：
"I have not called President Xi personally or President Putin personally and the reason is ... number one, I shouldn't have to," Obama said sharply.
"Number two, we've got a whole lot of business that we do with China and Russia, and I'm not going to have one case of a suspect who we're trying to extradite suddenly being elevated to the point where I've got to start doing wheeling and dealing and trading on a whole host of other issues." (Reuters US edition)
"Number two, we've got a whole lot of business that we do with China and Russia, and I'm not going to have one case of a suspect who we're trying to extradite suddenly being elevated to the point where I've got to start doing wheeling and dealing and trading on a whole host of other issues." (Reuters US edition)
枉李資深在政壇打滾多年，你駡大陸佬無人權，侵犯人民私隱，連大陸佬都不能出來反駁你，香港一定無hack美國電腦啦，為何你一句也不敢駡美國佬，這不是哈巴狗心態還可以是啥？就算你不認同是中國人也不出奇，但起碼都是香港人，美其名為香港的前途謀劃，也不能只顧取媚美國佬而置香港利益於不顧？
又看一下The Week這雜誌怎樣報導：
Did a U.S. clerical mistake allow Edward Snowden to flee China?
That's Hong Kong's story. Meanwhile, the NSA leaker is apparently still stuck in transit in the Moscow airport
A man walks in a lobby at the capsule hotel Air Express in Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport, where NSA leaker Edward Snowden has reportedly spent some time.
AP Photo/Sergei Grits
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.S. officials are none too pleased with Hong Kong for allowing National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden to fly out of the Chinese territory despite a U.S. extradition request. Hong Kong is now turning the blame back on the U.S., saying the Justice Department documents referred to the fugitive as Edward J Snowden or Edward James Snowden, when the name on his passport is Edward Joseph Snowden.
"These three names are not exactly the same, therefore we believed that there was a need to clarify," Hong Kong Justice Secretary Rimsky Yuen said on Tuesday. On top of the middle name issues, he added, the U.S. requests didn't include Snowden's passport number. "Until the minute of Snowden's departure, the U.S. government hadn't yet replied to our requests for clarification," Yuen said. "Hong Kong's government had no legal basis to block his departure."
Giles Surman, a lawyer with experience in Hong Kong extradition tells The Wall Street Journal that Hong Kong takes local freedoms seriously: "If you want to restrict someone's freedom to travel you need to get the paperwork."
American officials aren't buying it. "Is this the best they got?" a senior U.S. law enforcement official asks The Wall Street Journal.
A Justice Department spokeswoman says that not only was Snowden's image "widely reported through multiple news outlets," but Hong Kong also has its facts wrong: The U.S. extradition treaty with Hong Kong requires neither a middle name nor a passport number. "The treaty requires: (a) a description of the person; (b) an indication that a surrender request will follow; (c) a statement of the applicable crimes/punishments; (d) and a description of the facts. All of that was provided to Hong Kong." The story about needing "more information about his identity demonstrates that it was simply trying to create a pretext for not acting on the provisional arrest request," she says.
Both sides have plausible stories, says Hong Kong University criminal law expert Simon Young. Due to the "political sensitivities" of the case, he tells The Associated Press, "I think that the Hong Kong government was insisting on a fairly high standard of completeness.... They know that our courts will look at these things very closely and they don't take shortcuts."
At the same time, Hong Kong authorities are generally allowed to identify fugitives through unofficial channels. Snowden is hardly "some mystery figure," Young says. "The whole world knows what he looks like. So again I didn't see this presenting problems of identification."
Given America's own unreasonably strict standards of accuracy on travel papers, the Justice Department has little room to complain about Hong Kong being a stickler for details, says Marcy Wheeler at Emptywheel. "I'm not sure why DOJ thinks Snowden should be any different than every other American flier whose name must be correct before getting on a plane." And Hong Kong might have been too polite to mention it, but "there's an even bigger reason why any country would be crazy to hand over a person if the U.S. couldn't get his name right," she says.
German citizen Khalid el-Masri was kidnapped and tortured in Afghanistan for four years because the U.S. government mistook him for a guy named Khalid al-Masri. There was no telling who Hong Kong might have unintentionally turned over to an American black hole. Once upon a time, sure, other countries might have been able to take us at our word on something like this.... We're simply not trustworthy on that front anymore. [Emptywheel]
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我腦海中浮現出這樣一幅圖像，白宮門口站着一個鄉勇，心口寫着勇字的李資深在站岡，但無論上班下班或換班，一步都不准踏入白宮的門內，因為門口有個告示：不論怎樣忠心獻心交心，中國人與哈巴，不准進內。
I heard that he was not critical to unfair colonial policies either.
回覆刪除We have to appreciate that in the by-gone days, people were in the course of realizing and in the process of getting into the system and getting a chance to speak out. Looking back from now to measure what they did not do may not be fair. I criticise him from the present perspective. I wish to unveil the hypocrisy of these people.
刪除What about the relationship between Hong Kong and the US? Instead of affecting the China-US relationship, it is affecting Hong Kong-US relationship, as the US consulate general said previously, i.e. affecting the approval of no-visa visiting to US.
回覆刪除Do you think the PRC use us merely as a pawn in the chessboard?
I think persuading Snowden to leave HK is the best choice and results in the least adverse effect if we have to consider HK-US relations. I see no fault in the Chinese government in this case whatever they do at the back. Snowden was in HK. He was not in China. The Chinese did not escalate the incident. On the contrary, it down played the tone. The US Consul was talking nonsense. Obama also played down the tone by referring to Snowden as a hacker instead of a traitor (last night Reuters and Guardian news). If we pragmatically talk about bilateral relations, what Snowden divulged to us about hacking CU's computer is a gesture of enmity by the US. Did the US feel obliged to give us an explanation or apology? At best, the sending away of Snowden means we break even with the Americans.
刪除The critics are so simple minded. Even if the extradition proceeding was instituted in HK and Snowden was here to fight it, who says Snowden can be extradited in the end? I listed out 3 possibilities in my comment in the previous blog. I excluded the possibility of a successful extradition because I believe in the end, Snowden will not be extradited unless he voluntarily surrenders and returns to the US. You can see that his father says so now provided the US government guarantees his constitutional rights. How ironical it is. It is the US citizen saying this through a lawyer to canvass the possibility of voluntary return with condition of constitutional rights safeguarded. It is not said by China or Russia.
The US hints that the visa waiver talk is jeopardized by the departure of Snowden. I don't believe a word. It is only a sham. Snowden plays no part in the consideration. It is a show to pacify the American people's sentiment, a political show rather.
I always hope we can think independently. There is no need to create a China phobia for all matters. In this particular incident, the matter is a foreigner affair matter more than a legal matter. There is no need to shift all the blame to China though we can see the infiltrations are alarming. The other day when I read the BBC news. I was amazed to see the report that even Long Hair urged the Chinese secret agents to provide protection to Snowden when he was still in HK. I was laughing to myself. Long Hair must have lost his mind. How could he say such thing? He openly invited a pack of wolves to flex their muscles in HK. But, I can understand the underlying patriotic feeling there. People with righteous mind will fight against improper cyber snooping, be it done by China or the US. I have every justifiable reason to admonish the hypocritical Martin Lee SC for his stupid and bias view in this matter.