孟晚舟究竟在plea bargaining中承認了甚麼案情及答應了甚麼條件以換取DPA? 如果看到訟辯雙方之間協議的文字版本就不用瞎猜也無需為此爭論, 更可以把一些時常思想內循環的人來個當頭棒喝(當頭棒喝是最近香港法庭判案時的潮語)。思想內循環, 即是自己的想法在腦袋中像花貓追逐自己的尾巴一樣, 團團轉, 轉出很多稻草人、假想敵出來打擊一番, 繼而沾沾自喜地大獲全勝。當傳媒報導的準確性未必信得過的時候, 也總有辦法找到答案的。
這件案因美國檢控當局(DoJ)而起, 訟辯協議的案情及條件也是由他們草擬的, 那就好辦, 登入The United States Department of Justice的網站的新聞發佈來看便找到答案:
“In entering into the deferred prosecution agreement, Meng has taken responsibility for her principal role in perpetrating a scheme to defraud a global financial institution,” said Acting U.S. Attorney Nicole Boeckmann for the Eastern District of New York. “Her admissions in the statement of facts confirm that, while acting as the Chief Financial Officer for Huawei, Meng made multiple material misrepresentations to a senior executive of a financial institution regarding Huawei’s business operations in Iran in an effort to preserve Huawei’s banking relationship with the financial institution. The truth about Huawei’s business in Iran, which Meng concealed, would have been important to the financial institution’s decision to continue its banking relationship with Huawei. Meng’s admissions confirm the crux of the government’s allegations in the prosecution of this financial fraud — that Meng and her fellow Huawei employees engaged in a concerted effort to deceive global financial institutions, the U.S. government and the public about Huawei’s activities in Iran.”......
Under the terms of the DPA, Meng has agreed to the accuracy of a four-page statement of facts that details the knowingly false statements she made to Financial Institution 1. Meng also has agreed not to commit other federal, state or local crimes. If Meng breaches the agreement, she will be subject to prosecution of all the charges against her in the third superseding indictment filed in this case. The government also agreed to withdraw its request to the Ministry of Justice of Canada that Meng be extradited to the United States.
我省略了新聞發佈中撮寫孟晚舟所同意的案情內容, 有興趣自己登入去看。同意了的案情是否構成刑事罪行抑或只是民事性質的商業糾紛, 我想Criminal Law 101的學生也分辨得出。重點不是國家民族大義, 也不是講美國佬有多霸道, 而是孟晚舟同意了甚麼。若看新聞發佈內容未能滿足的話, 在底部連結可以下載孟晚舟同意了的4頁協議書及4頁案情(Attachment A)來看, 有她簽名確認的。她會不會在不明不白下同意了呢? 有人向她翻譯解釋的, 她的代表律師也簽名確認了。還有, 協議書也提及孟晚舟現階段屬自簽保釋(released on a personal recognizance bond), 直至DPA期滿撤銷控罪為止, 她也不會向美國佬索償等等, 孟晚舟進一步同意若違反協議而遭檢控, 她同意的4頁紙的案情是可以在不爭辯下呈堂的。假設她違反協議, (怎才算違反, 協議書第7段說明了), 我就看不到任何成功抗辯的空間。
如硬要講國家民族大義, 當然可隨便講, 我只是澄清法律程序及協議內容, 以及同意的案情本身是否構成刑事罪行而已, 這澄清是apolitical的plain facts。
想請教，孟女士同意的案情，會唔會比美國用嚟告華為呢？
回覆刪除協議是孟晚舟以個人身份簽訂的, 是不利她的證據, 雖然她也屬華為高層, 有一定的代表性, 華為作為法人, 可以抗拒案情呈堂的, 到時要看法官怎樣處理。而且, 過了DPA期限, 孟晚舟有可能反口。實際地看我相信美國告華為的話, 大家又有另一番協議, 繳交一筆罰款了事。
刪除https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/sep/24/meng-wanzhou-canada-china-us-settlement-analysis
刪除Indeed, at a hearing in August, the judge in the case said that the case against Meng seemed very unusual. No one lost money, the allegations were several years old, and the intended victim, a global bank, knew the truth even as it was allegedly being lied to.
Heather Holmes, associate chief justice, asked: “Isn’t it unusual that one will see a fraud case with no actual harm many years later? And one in which the alleged victim, a large institution, appears to have had numerous people within the institution who had all the facts that are now said to be misrepresented?”
美國告華為的話, 官司要打上好幾年。可以慢慢玩。
很多大企業都肯講數, 交罰款, 然後再去賺錢。得罪政府, 未死過咩, 一定找到痛腳整死你。如果當初只告華為, 一早就結案了。但美國佬不是要錢而是要打沉華為。
刪除美國佬為了自身利益和保持競爭優勢當然是想打沉華為。但另一方面則有些中間人大舉自肥，就是美國的司法系統，包括FBI、司法部的其他機構以及周邊的律師集團等等，請注意，美國的律師行業與法官之間有旋轉門式的交流，顧問則多是從司法部退休的行政人員，這已是眾所皆知的一個龐大和完整的產業鏈，他們都是既得利益者，在美國的政治體制下，也需要維護產業的生存和發展啊!長期來說，各國應該聯手訂立國際規則，限制美國佬的壓榨和苛索才是辦法。
刪除既然美國佬不是要錢而是要打沉華為，都撕破了臉，就不可能繳交一筆罰款了事的。 過了DPA期限, 孟晚舟大有可能反口， 然後。。。然後就沒華爲的事了， 兩位老大打架， 小弟的事是個藉口而已。
刪除。。。其實有無人用華為機呢唔知呵呵~腦循環~
刪除10:48, 我不清楚美國司法界與業界勾結的情況, 不懂說。真的針對美國佬壓榨別國的國際規則, 美國怎會簽訂?
刪除10:57, 孟晚舟案共16項控罪, 孟晚舟個人面對4項, 華為也是被告, 所以最終可能是講數, 美國國內也不滿拜登的處理方法, 未必可以不了了之。
//如果當初只告華為, 一早就結案了//
刪除唉, 又幫美帝經濟殖民霸權惡行洗地
美國佬告外國公司邊有話罰款了事
交資料交數薄, 美帝派商業間諜坐董事局
一唔係就分拆賺錢部門, 專利科研部門, 賤賣俾美國企業
先係標準玩死外國企業既流情
--Dogdogchi
As a matter of fact, HSBC was fined $US1. 9 billion in 2012 after US regulators found the bank's global network had been used by drug cartels to launder billions of dollars. I normally do not reply to you or that stupid pig. Don't just let your bias stance rule your mind without giving regard to what happens in the world.
刪除滙豐集團（HSBC Group）的控股公司，總部設於英國倫敦，為規模最大的歐系銀行
刪除繼續洗
--Dogdogchi
但...你有冇睇過大股東係邊個...
刪除2018年11月，中國平安旗下中國平安資產管理有限公司購入匯控7.01%股份，取代貝萊德BlackRock）成為最大股東，但平保方面不會派人加入董事會.....
刪除7%既最大股東
--Dogdogchi
Her admissions in the statement of facts confirm that, while acting as the Chief Financial Officer for Huawei, Meng made multiple material misrepresentations to a senior executive of a financial institution regarding Huawei’s business operations in Iran in an effort to preserve Huawei’s banking relationship with the financial institution.
回覆刪除呢一段並不構成 fraud. 匯豐不知情係必要條件，但係匯豐真係不知情？咁美國點解要罰匯豐？
美國佬不容許孟反駁，不過係跌落地拿返咋沙
寫本篇源於孟晚舟plea bargaining所同意的案情事實是否構成罪行的討論, 案情事實的焦點是華為與Skycom的真正關係, 就算HSBC是co-conspirater or turn a blind eye(依稀記得是辯方在庭上其中一個陳詞是HSBC是明知的, 不表示孟承認作出虛假陳述), 在美國直接審訊(不再是引渡案, 孟在協議中已同意若違反協議案件會在紐約東區審理), 她可以被判罪成or alternative verdicts。Extradition requires dual criminality, domestic crime does not, 有些可能有extra territorial jurisdiction. 如果不是為了即時重獲自由, 根本不會同意這些inculpatory facts, prima facie guilty of some offences. HSBC在此案有被美國罰嗎? 其他洗黑錢案被罰巨額就見過。
刪除2012年滙豐被罰，因為向來自伊朗、利比亞、蘇丹、緬甸以及古巴的客戶提供服務，違返美國制裁決議。美國重點強調匯豐為毒販洗錢，但係協議中的確包含服務伊朗客戶既指控。
刪除華為又唔係匯豐簽和解協議後先成為匯豐客戶，再加入匯豐既內部電郵佐證，匯豐係知道成件事。美國亦知道匯豐知道。
拜登並非常人，他的一切痴呆，絕對是老練的成果，他是放虎歸山還是木馬屠城，拭目以待....
回覆刪除你意見不是植入追蹤器，而且是不能探測到之類吧!? 额。。。
刪除唉，Skycom本來就係私邦生意，老拜不過過老习一橦或送佢個順水人情吧。
刪除倒賣國家資產，可能後生未聽過，果時IDD打大陸10蚊一分鐘，潛水線拉過去，俾黑錢就搞掂，今日就變成大飛軍團，唔賣國點會發達？仲做埋英雄？我笑了。。。
刪除老拜是火雲邪绅! 他的對手是孟英雌和11億個正義中國高手!你收聲!
刪除黑社會都有愛國!走私軍火又係爱國!你講邊個呀？
刪除個個都話愛，相信果個正蠢材，今天還不會裝怎做中國人呢？
刪除上海巿政協李可莊涉櫃員機偷錢 否認盜竊受審
刪除上海市政協委員李可莊涉嫌在櫃員機順手牽羊，偷取他人遺下的2100港元現金，因而被控一項盜竊罪。他否認控罪，案件今（27日）在東區裁判法院開審。警員供稱被告在警誡下招認犯事，指自己是一時貪心才把鈔票取去。惟警員忘記在記事簿內記錄該段招認內容，在庭上坦承犯錯，解釋是一時忘記，辯方則爭議有關招認不應呈堂成為證據。
。。。又多個英雄哈哈哈
刪除〃拜登並非常人
刪除係囉，搞到尾國日用貨物供應短缺，物價飛漲，連細佬鹰國都倒瀉籮蟹，唔夠貨車司機用，油站缺油，農場豬送唔到去屠場被廹人道毁滅，蝕到阿媽都唔認得
假設這種情況在大陸及香港出現，只會有一種情況出現 - 自私、瘋狂和無比混亂。
刪除假設不切實際
刪除不用假沒，无知会最早、跟著及持续出现。
刪除睇得出案件去到美國都沒有公平審訊可言 , 就算 win 咗 , 都會有不停上訴 , 退而求其次 , 不失為解決辦法
回覆刪除今日 10:30 時事脈搏 兩岸 國際
刪除舍曼據報7月訪華時促成討論解決孟晚舟事件
中國電訊設備商華為副董事長孟晚舟獲准離開加拿大回國，加國前外交官康明凱及公民邁克爾亦獲內地批准離境返抵家鄉。《金融時報》引述消息人士指出，7月美國副國務卿舍曼(Wendy Sherman)訪華期間，雙方同意設立一個工作小組，討論中美之間的「個別事件」，當中包括孟晚舟和兩名加國公民的案件。
舍曼訪華期間，曾與國務委員兼外長王毅、副外長謝鋒等人會面。據報，中美同意設立該工作小組，是兩國在該次不甚愉快的會面中，唯一取得的具體進展。
在加拿大已經沒有, 去到美國唔使諗!
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警司涉隱瞞買樓出租 被控騙購屋貸款受審
回覆刪除控方開案陳詞指被告父親在1992年去世，其母則居於公屋。被告在2016年9月28日與賣家簽訂臨時買賣合約，以約660萬港元購入愉景灣一個單位，並在同年11月尾完成交易。被告在同年9月29日按購屋貸款計劃，正式向庫務署申請購屋貸款，並在申請表格上簽署聲明確認資料真確無誤，被告後獲批出207.6萬港元貸款。而該計劃規定有關單位只可由申請人及或其家人居住，不得出租或分租。被告同時亦向滙豐銀行申請按揭貸款，並在表格上指涉案單位由其父母居住，後獲批390萬港元按揭貸款。
何君堯︰刑期太短 九年不足夠 起碼二十年 受傷位置仍有疤痕
回覆刪除https://forum.hkgolden.com/thread/7468715
立法會議員何君堯指，當時受傷的位置仍留有疤痕，認為刑期太短。
立法會議員何君堯：「我是慶幸能夠救到自己生命，難道要等到謀殺才判終身監禁嗎？任何人心存僥倖心情，犯這些嚴重罪行，那怕他不成功，我們一定要考慮事件嚴重性，九年不足夠，起碼二十年。(你的傷口情況如何？)仍有個疤痕。」
https://news.now.com/home/local/player?newsId=451240
高登仔琴晚諗住判三年咋
刪除個犯犯事後仲講話自己要殺左何君堯，入唔到企圖謀殺，係差左乜野證據?
刪除From the news, obviously the prosecution also laid an alternative charge of Wounding With Intent and the deft opted to plead guilty to that. I suppose the prosecution may have considered the mental state of the deft and also the extent of injuries sustained by Mr Ho and decided to accept the plea.
刪除There is no tariff of sentence on Wounding With Intent. The leading authority is probably HKSAR and CHAN CHUN TAT（陳駿達）CACC 317/2012, frequently cited in sentence. I cite 2 paragraphs here:
30. Important to a consideration of both grounds of appeal is the fact that the judge adopted as her starting point a sentence that was at the maximum of the range for the usual cases of wounding with intent. The maximum sentence for a section 17 wounding offence is of course life imprisonment. Nevertheless the Court of Appeal has said that the usual range of sentence for wounding with intent is 3 - 12 years’ imprisonment. Of course, the reason why the sentencing range is so wide is because there is no “usual” kind of wounding with intent case. Each case is different and the gravity of the offence will depend on the facts of its commission. That being said it is not contended that there is anything about the facts of this case that takes it outside of this usual sentencing range. The only issue is where within this range this case properly falls.
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49. Consequently, many of the factors to which a court will have regard in determining the gravity of a section 17 offence and the culpability of the offender will relate to the type of harm intended to be inflicted, the means by which that harm was inflicted and the circumstances generally surrounding the assault. Thus, without attempting to exhaustively identity all the relevant factors, the usual ones will be the extent to which the assault was premeditated, the reasons or motivation underlying the assault upon the victim, the mental or emotional state of the assailant at the time of the assault, whether alcohol or drugs contributed to the actions of the assailant, whether the assault was committed by the assailant alone or as part of a group, the type of weapons employed, the level of force or aggression and the persistence with which the assault was pressed home, the injuries caused to the victim and the effect of the assault upon the victim and those close to him or her.
被告大概會就刑期上訴, 合理刑期應是6年之內。杜官是我最不喜歡的法官之一, 何議員就更無需要講了, 他認為應該至少判20年, 翕得出就翕, his temperamental peculiarity。
刪除首先我也不喜歡何君堯，標少説“from the news”，我問其實標少有沒有睇過何受襲那刻的片？襲擊者一刀近距離向何心胸位置捅過去，那是一秒間之事，根本沒有選好位置。老實說何不死是真僥倖，假設何受襲而死，那這個襲擊人會被判什麼呢？誤殺？。。。
刪除有看片, 今天有空的話會寫一篇此案的評論。
刪除他又不是殺手，殺唔到囉，只是假設性間題。
刪除//只是假設性間題
刪除你話啫!是事實的判斷
一刀插心臟位置 , 非常兇狠 , 身上還有另一把刀 !
刪除Rambo咩？法官都曉吹，香港法官又幾與别不同喎。。。
刪除又一件中招
回覆刪除Russian Gas Firm Executive Arrested in U.S. on Tax Charges
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/russian-gas-firm-executive-arrested-in-u-s-on-tax-charges-11632510921#aoh=16327439134728&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
資本主義
回覆刪除資本主義社會的發展特點，就是貧者越貧富者越富，最終走向資本壟斷式支配的極端，以至法律、教育、媒體、政府以至社會一切都只為資本階層服務。
你指控大陸？你指控党？大陸是行資本主義才成功。你竟敢!?
刪除10:1７儍佬瞓醒未?是中国特色的社會主義呀!
刪除你話就係啦？猪兜!
刪除10:17 正猪兜!
刪除你話就係啦？
//同意了的案情是否構成刑事罪行抑或只是...
回覆刪除BLOG主說廢話, 試圖用曾經或剩餘的「專業」忽悠讀者.....
In that context, 同意了案情, 是終止該進行中的法律程序條件之一.
主體是「該法律程序」, 沒有其他, 完全沒有,
還想借稻草人「構成刑事罪行與否」開展其他個人理論? 又想推乜?????
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