原審時,7人已多次就拍得案發經過的無綫電視片段真確性爭辯。上訴方昨再次提出有關質疑,Owen指無綫電視新聞製作經理黃廣海雖曾作供,但認為原審法官錯誤接納黃廣海的證供。上訴方認為理應由拍攝片段的攝影師出庭作供,解釋片段真偽。上訴方亦指原審法官在沒有攝影師作供或沒有母帶的情况下,以有關片段作參照藍本,是犯了法律上的錯誤。
2018年11月20日星期二
七警上訴
以前寫曾健超及七警案總寫過二、三十篇, I lost count. 昨天七警上訴開審, 暫時不知詳盡上訴理由, 傳媒報道了第一天的陳詞焦點, 我看了失笑。先看明報有關報導:
原審時,7人已多次就拍得案發經過的無綫電視片段真確性爭辯。上訴方昨再次提出有關質疑,Owen指無綫電視新聞製作經理黃廣海雖曾作供,但認為原審法官錯誤接納黃廣海的證供。上訴方認為理應由拍攝片段的攝影師出庭作供,解釋片段真偽。上訴方亦指原審法官在沒有攝影師作供或沒有母帶的情况下,以有關片段作參照藍本,是犯了法律上的錯誤。
七警案未開審前, 控方已為了影片可穩妥呈堂而先向高院申請命令, 要求五間傳媒交出原片及攝影師身分, 可惜被高院拒絕。如果七警上訴以此理由得直, 那就會與律政司無關了。我失笑的理由, 是兩年半前所寫的評論, 正正是這次上訴方認為控方的死穴所在。該篇文是: 七警案高院拒絕控方申請索取攝影師資料。在該文中, 我曾經這樣講:
其中一個關鍵就是要把這些影片呈堂。這些影片放在公眾領域中, 任何人都可以下載。TVB甚至由新聞製作經理黃廣海(David Wong)確認影片沒經修改, 足夠嗎? 辯方一定會爭議他所講的只是傳聞證供, 他怎知道攝影師把新聞片交回公司之前沒有剪輯過。如果審結本案七警全部或部分人脫罪因為這些影片不能呈堂, 就不要指責控方放軟手腳, 律政司這次的申請是十分謹慎的審前準備, 這種謹慎其中一個原因是要證實"chain of evidence”, 不想有任何出錯而受指責。
可見法律有如法術, 控方一開始就要封住缺口, 法庭不准, 上訴方就話啱晒, 用得唔好嘥。假設當初班太批准申請, 命令傳媒交出原片及交人, 上訴理據就只限於攻擊曾健超的可信性了。曾健超的可信性, 可謂受盡那些幫助他的三腳貓律師所害, 因此我當時也寫了這一篇: 有權唔答。
原審時,7人已多次就拍得案發經過的無綫電視片段真確性爭辯。上訴方昨再次提出有關質疑,Owen指無綫電視新聞製作經理黃廣海雖曾作供,但認為原審法官錯誤接納黃廣海的證供。上訴方認為理應由拍攝片段的攝影師出庭作供,解釋片段真偽。上訴方亦指原審法官在沒有攝影師作供或沒有母帶的情况下,以有關片段作參照藍本,是犯了法律上的錯誤。
如果真係七警上訴得直,相信某些親泛民媒體會染紅個官。。。
回覆刪除Macrae VP, McWalters and Poon, 好難有運行。
刪除兔兔好似話,柒警唔使入番去,即減刑至已服刑期,成數高嗎?
刪除大約一年前 在灣仔聚餐 當事人也向我詢問7賊上訴結果會如何 我回答 對你而言件事情已經完左 想下如何negotiate best settlement u can over the civil proceedings 比較sensible 點 criminal 那層你已經做到了最好
刪除兔哥執單筍嘢來拆賬。
刪除阿大 兔兔這種賠償就俾專家做啦 果間係旺角的PI specialist 當事人係我朋友 諮詢一定是pro bono的啦
刪除跟你開玩笑, 使你常歡笑。
刪除九死一生
回覆刪除而家數碼取代菲林,好容易修改片段。 真係唔明點解當初唔批准傳召攝影師 ?
回覆刪除路人甲
班太覺得影片不重要(不符交出來在法律上第一關的要求), 有判詞為證:
刪除37. The arrestable offences allegedly committed by Tsang and D1-D7 centred on the Splash Liquid Incident, the arrest of Tsang, and the First and Second Assault Incident. There is no basis for believing that any general footage covering the whole of Tamar Park would be of “substantial value to the investigation to” or amount to “relevant evidence in proceedings for” the arrestable offence.
38. Tsang was taken to a police van after the First Assault Incident and was then driven to the Central Police Station, with the arrival time at 3:43 am. There was no allegation of any further assault after the First Assault Incident at the Substation. The Second Assault Incident was alleged to have taken place at the police station. I cannot see how any footages filmed by any Respondents, if any, showing Tsang being taken to the van or to the police station can be said to be of substantial value to the investigation of, or amount to relevant evidence in proceedings for the arrestable offence.
39. For these reasons, I find that the Applicant has failed to satisfy the condition in section 84(3)(a)(iii) in relation to the general footage and any footage of Tsang after the First Assault Incident. In other words, even the Tsang footage requested for is too wide.
(COMMISSIONER OF POLICE v. TELEVISION BROADCASTS LTD etc )
「張官在平衡新聞自由的重要性、打擊罪行及維持公義的必要性、未經修改的影片已上傳至公眾領域等原因後,拒絕基於公眾利益批出針對5間傳媒的「交出令」,故傳媒毋須交出片段。張官又認為,攝影師的身分非「新聞材料」,故律政司申請的「交出令」並不適用。張官基於相同理由,拒絕批出律政司針對蘋果日報、now TV及亞洲電視的申請。」
回覆刪除法官的確是拒絕了申請,但難道傳媒就沒有道義去交出原整的母片?在社會高度關注下,為了公義也應主動提交片段給法庭吧?而攝影師是現場證人,不會主動上庭作供?
這其中又是否有甚麼程序、法律去阻止這麼做呢?
話又說回來,假如傳媒在此階段提交母片和攝影師,是否是一個可取之道?
By 好奇者
如果係生果報,呢件事肯定會主動交出黎。。。
刪除但涉及佔中九子,旺角暴動對泛民被告不利的話,相信佢地不會咁做。。。
亦即,這是傳媒的問題,張官又沒有禁止他們主動提交不是?那我認為,如果七警以片段之真偽、完整性等問題勝訴,那傳媒就應負起部分責任。
刪除然如果傳媒做了他們的份內的事,七警仍然以取巧方式勝訴,那他們當然沒責任了。
所以重點是,在現階段,究竟傳媒能否提交母片呢?
By 好奇者
係喎, 咁以後有實物證據即係唔駛證人出庭作供?
回覆刪除不能如此推論。
刪除現今利用AI做假的技術已很成熟
刪除用AI 做假新聞:Deepfakes
http://www2.hkej.com/landing/mobArticle2/id/1996966/
換面後真假難分
https://www.limitlessiq.com/news/post/view/id/5723/
請教公民廣場案
回覆刪除按法官所言,政府土地要在“合理”情況下開放
咁港督府花園冇可能一年只開一日
官員官邸花園都應俾市民“合理”參觀
所有政府閒置土地都應開放俾人任用,唔准圍鐵絲網同棟牌“政府土地,不准擅闖”
討論前要分清楚, 香港禮賓府, 包括禮賓府建築物、及外圍花園吧?
刪除現時香港禮賓府是一個整體, 同一劃地及管理. (除非有人要求改變, 這是另一個討論)
一年只開一日是指整體, 不是「港督府花園」.
假如離開禮賓府, 真係討論「官員官邸的花園部分」, 我便不同意「都應俾市民合理參觀」了, 因為是已分配的政府土地, 不能算是「政府閒置土地」.
BBTW
整件案件事有蹺蹊,(控方)足有兩年多時間申請專家證人撥款,又為何不請法證專家/影像分析專家來作供?證實這段影片的真確性,控方是否在hea?又或是否刻意留下一個法律争議缺口給所有被告??是否有扯貓尾之嫌??
回覆刪除不是仇警的人,只求真相。
這陰謀論不成立。
刪除願聞其詳
刪除控方應做的已做, 無需你講的專家。
刪除如果控方有心扯貓尾,就唔會向班太申請原片。
刪除社會人士多誤解控方立場。刑事案的控方跟民事案的原告身分不同。刑事案的控方立場唔係要做盡所有嘢去釘,而係要將所有有關證據公道地展示(即係如標少所講應做的就去做,及盡量保留證據完整),再由法庭決定入罪與否。過尤不及的舉動,會給公眾「一定要鋤死佢」的印象。
刪除若控方不作申請而在審訊時影片不能呈堂,可能被指未盡力或放軟手腳, 影片是重要證據(班太明顯不同意), 所以我覺得控方在做份內事。與其指責控方, 不如說班太放水(開玩笑)。
刪除https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488189755025475&set=gm.1967988376610400&type=3&theater 八個食環拉一個阿伯
回覆刪除Bill Siu, what do you think of the author's view?
回覆刪除https://www.bastillepost.com/hongkong/article/3662470-%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E6%A0%B9%E6%9C%AC%E6%B2%92%E6%9C%89%E9%81%95%E6%86%B2%E5%AF%A9%E6%9F%A5%E6%AC%8A
CFA has already ruled that Hong Kong courts have the right of constitutional review back in 1999.
刪除那篇的作者,不就是挑战 香港法院 (包括终审庭吧) 没有这个权力吗?
刪除Quoted
回歸之後,不知從何時開始,香港法律界「覺得」香港有違憲審查權,甚至香港法院有些判決也申明法院擁有這種權力,我認為這是一個嚴重的錯誤,中央從來沒有容許香港有違憲審查權。
Unquoted
Is he a legal expert? The power of the HK courts is stipulated in Article 158 of the Basic Law. The power to interpret the Basic Law includes considering the constitutionality of other laws and the government policies.
刪除那位評論員很明顯沒看過判詞, 區官多次引用了終院方國珊案的判決。
He is not a legal expert but a veteran journalist. He did mention Art 158 in his piece though. Sometimes opinion pieces like this could have quite an impact on layman readers because it seems to present ideas based on "evidence" (e.g. discussions with Mainland legal experts when the Basic Law was drafted, quotation of Art 158, etc).
刪除From the case of Ng Ka ling (as mentioned by Anon 1:03) to the recent oath taking case of Yau and Leung, the courts are obliged to interpret the law to examine its constitutionality if such challenges arise. It is an obligation not a discretion.
刪除Agree with Bill siu that the writer of the article probably didn't read through the landmark case of Ng Ka Ling and HKSAR v Fong Kwok Shan. Otherwise, he would not make such a plainly wrong assertion. He made quite a few factual and conceptual confusions:
刪除1) He attempted to distinguish power to interpret and power to review constitutionality under Art. 158 BL. However, these two are inseparable indeed. Becoz a power to interpret without the authority to judge whether a particular gov't act or legislation is constitutional is purely nominal and served no practical use at all.
2) CFA having the power to interpret BL is totally different from having the final say on the interpretation of BL, which was already delegated to NPCSC. Even the writer himself recognised that in his article so I cannot see why this can be equated to "final authority" being vested in HK courts.
3) He also made some factual errors about legal history and constitutional law. UK courts does NOT have any right to determine constitutionality of a legislation due to the principle of parliamentary sovereignty (as the author righty mentioned). At most they can DECLARE a piece of legislation to be incompatible with Human Rights Act 1998 (but cannot overrule the piece of legislation as VOID). So it is wrong to say for him to say that "香港行英式普通法制度,英國本土的制度是法院可以進行違憲審查"... and consequently all the subsequent deductions and conclusions cannot withstand.
Sam
Sorry mate,I did not actually read his article. I just skimmed through it in 1 minute.
刪除香港當然有限度地有責任及權力做違憲審查、解釋憲法!
刪除如果大家認為文章是討論「最終」違憲審查權, 當然全篇錯誤.
真係?
BBTW
Haha I didn't read in details neither. So hopefully 8 I didn't distort the idea of the author in that article.
刪除I believed the writer contended that hk courts did not have any right to perform constitutional Scrutiny at all and one of his arguments was that this would render the hk courts a final say on basic law which contravened the idea of national sovereignty, etc. And I just wished to point out wt he suggested was not the whole picture of our constitutional landscape.
Sam
Sam, 當然"not the whole picture of", 因為文章是針對性的,
刪除一頭一尾針對「有建制派朋友、不知從何時開始的香港法律界」, 中間大量資料性篇幅.
連著上一篇「上一堂憲法學101的課」便比較完整.
我不置評, 因為整體關鍵在作者提出了沒有elaborate的:有權解釋憲法=/=違憲審查權.
(未知佢含意)
BBTW
In addition to the case of Ng Ka Ling, in Director of Immigration v Chong Fung Yuen, the CFA held that when Hong Kong courts interpret the Basic Law, they are to apply the common law principles of interpretation. The duty to construe the Basic Law in accordance with common law principles is a constitutional duty on the Hong Kong courts.
刪除Terry
https://www.doj.gov.hk/eng/archive/doc/sgclce.doc
刪除Paragraphs 8 to 13.
Terry
Btw, will bill siu write any commentaries on the recent trial of 9 occupy central movement leaders? Looking forward to your analysis.
回覆刪除Sam
I have only written about the Incitement to incite aspect last year. It is still too early to comment at this stage of the trial. I can see the prosecution so far has led evidence of incitement.
刪除想請教下大家,香港既的士如果提供「包車」服務,是否合法?
回覆刪除我睇 Cap 374D,只係搵到咪錶收費就跟 附表5
但係搵唔到有無地方容許/唔容許按時間收費既「包車」服務
但係我見消委會報告又有寫香港的士 “「包車」服務則由提供和接受服務雙方自行議定”
https://www.consumer.org.hk/sites/consumer/files/competition_issues/CarHailing/presentation_chi.pdf
374D只是一般性的租用的士管制, 沒有討論包車, 因為包車涉及很多個人商議的條件, 很多灰色地帶。
刪除除了改善的士服務外,運輸署亦會深入研究在現有法規下推廣包車的士服務供市u民選擇的可行性。按現時法規,的士除了可以按錶收費外,其實亦可以提供預約的包車服務,包車服務收費由提供和接受服務雙方自行議定,不受規管,可靈活滿足不同乘客的需要。
刪除https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201508/21/P201508210977.htm
Terry
https://www.thb.gov.hk/tc/boards/transport/land/200806031.pdf
刪除第12及41段。
Terry
謝謝Terry
刪除法律出處應該係38條374D,包括一般車主出租給司機的情況,但亦包括車主租給乘客的包車情況。看來司機本身不是車主就不能提供包車,除非車主承認司機係代車主包車。
刪除我在向運輸署及一家的士包士公司查問以上分析是否正確。看看他們會否回覆!
Terry
I'm confused, what's the definition of 包車?
刪除我理解包車即係按時間收費,唔係按距離(咪錶)
刪除咁即是八折黨無犯法?
刪除的士招客才犯法, 所以有部分的士打算做不同形式的生意, 便深入「未知領域」!
刪除包車, 我下面下午8:38提到的是三兩個鐘.
不過上面Terry引出的38條, 很可能是跨日子的, 連司機都有可能更換, 需要書面合約, 有指定內容包括租用人地址, 由車主簽署, keep3個月.
BBTW
包車:便是預約指定時間用車。用車可以係單程到某個地點, 或包若干時間,不一定要包幾天。查看一些的士包車公司如星群可畧知一二。
刪除在街道上四處兜客嘅的士就要用咪錶計價錢,不能在包車模式。
另:八折黨,乘客主動提出係唔犯法的,司機提出就唔得。
https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E/168561/%E5%85%AB%E6%8A%98%E7%9A%84%E5%A3%AB%E9%81%95%E6%B3%95%E7%88%AD%E8%AD%B0-%E6%B3%95%E4%BE%8Bapps%E5%B9%B3%E5%8F%B0%E9%81%A9%E7%94%A8-%E8%A7%A3%E6%A7%8B%E5%8F%B8%E6%A9%9F-%E4%B9%98%E5%AE%A2%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%8B%E8%B2%AC%E4%BB%BB
Terry
條例及我都無講「一定要」包幾天.
刪除包車公司=/=法例, 正如Uber.
BBTW
司機提出implies nothing.
刪除「四處兜客」嚴格來講, 中正犯法.
刪除的士做完一單理論上需要埋的士站, 沒有好理由不應「四處」去.
「兜客」正正式式是犯罪, 可處第3級罰款及監禁6個月, see 第40條 兜客
BBTW
//...,不能在包車模式//
刪除條文沒有排他性, 沒有要求二選一, 唉~ 勿不斷自創法例.
BBTW
按咪表收費的另一合法方式係包車方式下雙方洽商費用。即在街道上找客的的士,只能按咪表收表,係不能用包車方式洽商費用,除八折黨方法由乘客提出。什麼是自創法例?那看看你有那些解讀?
刪除Terry
我上文所指的兜客係指的士在道路上東去西去等客到,而不是solicit 招攬乘客的行為。有要求的士做完一單生意,要有意向揸去的士站,在街上隨便揸而等客是違反40條?不是吧。
刪除40 條我理解指招攬生意的方式。
Terry
你如何"所指"無關係, 法例中英對照的確是, 第40條, 兜客/Soliciting
刪除我地只可以圍繞法例轉, not the other way round.
勿不斷自創翻譯, 做成混淆.
BBTW
https://hk.lifestyle.appledaily.com/jfdigital/magazine/article/20161208/8_17784592/%E8%AE%80%E7%9A%84%E5%A3%AB%E5%85%A5%E8%A1%8C%E8%AA%B2%E7%A8%8B-%E5%AD%B8%E6%90%B5%E5%AE%A2%E5%8F%8A%E5%BE%85%E5%AE%A2%E4%B9%8B%E9%81%93
刪除上文用「自然兜得多客」,指搵客。
我用「兜客」按一般理解,並沒有說跟40條有關。係你自己套上40條兜客一字,亂扣帽子。
勿不斷自high,胡思亂想,思覺失調。
Terry
40條 中文section heading 用上「兜客」兩個字,但條文內亦沒有用到。
刪除Section 18(3) Cap 1
A marginal note or section heading to any provision of any Ordinance shall not have any legislative effect and shall not in any way vary, limit or extend the interpretation of any Ordinance.
Section heading 沒legislative effect. 如要圍繞法例轉,還看法例內文。
Terry
我忙於別的事, 這裏很熱鬧了。包車沒有一定的定義, 只是指乘客和司機商討了非按一般經營收費方式租用的士。兜客(solicit)應該不包括的士在路上行駛等待租用, 的士的經營方式就是隨時在街上接受租用, 在街上等客、揾客並不等同solicit for hire。雖然S.33(5) Cap 374D寫成「有意乘車的乘客示意」才可停車上客, 本末往往難分。一般的士停在路邊等客, 見到交通警察就自動郁車, 相安無事。
刪除//勿不斷自high,胡思亂想,思覺失調//
刪除標少都有份思覺失調,好無謂,嗌交多於討論係咪呢度習慣?
我跟誰溢交?
刪除運輸處的回覆如下:
刪除「根據香港法例第374D章《道路交通(公共服務車輛)規例》,的士的收費模式包括:
(1) 按的士咪錶顯示的指定收費率收費;
(2) 按整段被租用的時間收費。的士登記車主可將的士出租予任何人,出租收費率是基於的士被租用的時間(不論是否須就該車出租時所行駛的哩數而另收附加費),或基於與租用人協議的其他條款。
當中按整段被租用的時間收費是根據第374D章第38條。」
Terry
包車仍是灰色地帶。
刪除通常包車是指不論車程論時間, 每每是多程, 所以議定總金額總是較平時低.
回覆刪除另外, 租用人及乘客, 包車時情況可以很複雜, 好在不成議題/爭議/法例沒規定.
法例:有規定收費結構上限, 沒有規定合約時間/程數的組合, 既然「包車」總是較平, 結論是合法.
p.s. 字眼上, 停車等候是按時間收費.
BBTW
http://hd.stheadline.com/news/realtime/hk/1370997/
回覆刪除收2900萬又真的太誇張了吧
市場調節,冇必要批評
刪除只能說是律師行幸運, 敢開口, 收開一直收.
刪除客戶是有開票的, 彈票所以追討.
//受聘於早年身陷財困的胡顧平及其兒子,並收取每小時八千元,在多宗民事訴訟、破產和公司清盤呈請中代表應訊//
BBTW
呢單係律師行同客人的錢債官司,但係法官批評大狀收費,好似同官司無關?
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虽然开了支票,但若客人认为收费有问题: not in line with the Consideration. 有无得打呢?
刪除李官回來了,祝他身體健康,工作愉快
回覆刪除You mean Patrick Li? He has resumed duty for a while.
刪除媒体及民众,忘记佔中九子了。
回覆刪除HK01找不到一篇九子法庭新闻。奇怪。
昨天有冇審?
今天冇九子新闻。
jack WTS
The case was not heard yesterday.
刪除it was adjourned until next Monday
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回覆刪除各占中案的判决書及资料。
2.
九子原来有二个案!
ESCC 993/2017 ,
DCC 480/2017.
jack WTS.
https://www1.hkcnews.com/legalcasedb/events/59c4e16f1cfa7a0ad8cc88a1
NO. They first appeared in Eastern. An Eastern case number was allocated to their case (ESCC: Eastern Criminal Case). The case was then transferred to the District Court. The District Court allocated a case number to them (DCC). There is only one case they are facing. The trial takes place in West Kowloon Magistracy because the court room is equipped with modern technology and big.
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